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You may wish to read a technically flawed, but interesting approach to the concept that "wrong relationships" cause many diseases. This source has many shortcomings, but it has some glimpses of the truth.
The "moral majority" is a good phrase even if it is in bad repute just now. Whether we like it or not, "morals" are what people have agreed on.
The Jews all agreed that pork was "ungodly" or whatever they said. We may now say that pork, in those early years, contained trichinosis, and that this "moral code" was laid down as a religious matter but more practically as a health law. Now that pork can be safe, this "moral law" ("religious law") would no longer be very necessary, but it may well persist as a part of the Jewish culture. It is a "law" nonetheless. And a Jew who eats pork has violated that moral (religious) code.
So, the "moral majority" may not always be "right" in any useful sense, but it is still the "majority," and is always "right" in a moral sense. (There can be false representations of the "moral majority" also!) I have found a "common sense moral code" and describe it on my web: www.happinessonline.org
Thus, promiscuous sex is a moral taboo. How "promiscuous" does promiscuous sex have to be? There is no rigid definition on this, but a man who has sex with a dozen different women every week, or a woman with a man, the same, would be violating a pretty easily observed moral code in most of Western culture.
It is the violation of the usual moral code by one person in a relationship that brings about the "wrong relationship."
Even if two people "agree" that casual or promiscuous sex is OK in their group of two, they cannot avoid the truth that it is still a violation of the community moral code -- so they still have a "wrong relationship" with their neighbors. And, when each of them has a "wrong relationship" with the neighbor, they would then, ultimately, have a wrong relationship with each other -- since a couple cannot live in isolation. Each of them would suffer from being out of agreement with their neighbors, and therefore each of them is reducing the survival of the partner in the group of two.
There may well be whole large groups where casual sex is OK in a moral sense. As long as they have relatively little contact with the larger world society, they would appear to not suffer the fate of "wrong relationships," but then casual sex is very probably "unethical" since it leads to children without a helpful family to grow up in, and thus dooms the race.
So, society has laid down some moral laws that, when violated, are the basis for "wrong relationships."
Morals should not be confused with "ethics." They are quite different.
Homosexuality is very much still a violation of the usual moral code. It happens, also, to be unethical since if everyone were homosexual, there would be no children, and no future for the race of man. Morals and ethics are often in alignment, but not always. No amount of "Gay Pride Parades" can change the immorality of homosexuality.
I had not seen your view on "relationships" as part of the cause of heart disease. But, of course, you are right on this.
I would say, then, within "our" concept of heart disease, that a person suffers a "wrong relationship" which then triggers some mechanical/chemical/biologic action within the body -- bringing about what we then call heart disease.
The wrong relationship is senior in importance. The fact that so many people die of heart disease means only that so many people are in violation of common moral codes.
I would agree with that -- and say that the mechanical action would be the action of free radicals on the individual cells in the body. You might well agree with this.
We may be left only with a possible disagreement on the makings of a "wrong relationship."
Stress, then, in my mind, is nothing more than the "tension" created by realizing that you have violated some agreement -- the most important agreements always being between those who are closest in relationship. A married couple may well have the closest form of usual agreement, and there is definitely tension (stress) when either of them violate their moral code.
He "cheats" on her. She gets sick. He may well also. This wrong relationship breeds illness and disease.
The more easily observed "moral code" would be that of an employer and employee. The boss has certain rules for working in the place. The employee may well come in late, or goof-off on the job. He has violated the moral code. Perhaps he didn't, personally, agree with it? Well, it is still the commonly expected agreement in that group, and the employee who violates that (even unspoken) agreement will experience stress. Yes! And, then heart disease or any of whatever other number of ills.
Obviously I agree with this. But, then, you are simply saying that the "morals" of the boxing ring are different from the "morals" of the neighborhood. They are different.
Consider the cannibal who, in his tribe, has agreed to kill and eat the enemy. He goes into battle and decides to NOT kill some enemy child. He has broken the moral code of that tribe. That broken agreement will have consequences for his relationship in that tribe. To avoid those unwanted consequences he will likely leave that tribe -- thus you see the source of most divorce.
Signed,
(Medical Doctor)
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Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:33 PM
To: Karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Comments on your wed letter
Karl,
I read your newsletter, as I always do. I have given your ideas a lot of credence.
Until this time.
Your insinuation that "bad relationships" cause all disease is hogwash. I was reading the article and continually thinking - What's wrong with this guy?
O.k., now we get past that, and you claim, correctly, that diet is the problem with FMS. Bravo! You also state something like (I'm not trying to quote you accurately) "Medicines won't help" "Nutraceuticals won't help much without dealing with the relationship issue"
Then you reverse yourself by promoting BioChoice® as a 90-day wonder drug to "cure" FMS. Now you are not talking nutrition, or relationships, just your particular "drug".
BioChoice® is not, at least should not be, capable of helping FMS. The so-called Immune Egg is an embryo that has been injected with a few bacteria, germs, whatever to Produce an Immune response to a disease! Are you now saying that FMS is a disease, and not a dietary problem? Have you identified a specific antigen for FMS??? What gives??
Your article today was self-serving, "Stinkin' Thinkin'" I don't know where you got your ideas about what BioChoice® does, or can do. But I believe you may have entered into your "relationship" with the Yarnell gang based on incomplete, or untrue, information. I hope this bad "relationship" doesn't make you ill.
XXX
Dear XXX,
You may certainly unsubscribe, as you wish.
XXX: I'll keep on reading it. You have a lot of good material.
You do not understand how BioChoice is made, and you apparently did NOT read the article by Aajonus.
I did not. It indicated that I would be reading, partially, about the benefits of a raw food diet, which I am not ready to embark on, so I skipped it.
You are right in one sense -- but didn't put your finger on it.
I have a "problem" in promoting BioChoice because I believe Aajonus on his explanation of fibromyalgia.
You should read that. http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/anatomy/p30.htm
Read it. Not really convincing, at least the small amount of material on that link.
He identifies a particular bacteria as being very prevelant in FMS cases. So, do some other doctors. This is the antigen you think I've missed!!!!
Mycoplasma would have to be introduced to the egg embryo, purposefully, for an antibody to develope that would help FMS, and that is only if cross-species antibodies are efficaceous.
For instance, read this page http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/anatomy/p31.htm where some standard doctor names mycoplasma as the particular bacteria that CAUSES FMS, while Aajonus says that this is exactly the bacteria which is CURING FMS.
Creates a quandary, doesn't it?
These two approaches are opposite -- I believe Aajonus, although I would be surprised if you did??
So, BioChoice probably kills Mycoplasma, thus being exactly the "cure" for FMS which many traditional doctors would accept.
While Aajonus says that Mycoplasma is there ONLY because of toxins that have harmed body tissue, and this microbe is clearing away the bad tissue -- as a detoxification.
So, I have the problem that I cannot advise people to solve FMS with BioChoice because I think the bacteria which would be eliminated by BioChoice are exactly the ones which Aajonus says are needed to cure FMS.
But, the Aajonus diet is an extreme one -- I happen to believe in it (with a few exceptions) and so my advice is going to be very, very carefully truthful.
You say that, yet you promoted Biochoice in the newsletter, for FMS.
If you are willing to go on the "proper" diet -- all raw food, including raw meat and raw fat, and follow Aajonus' plan, then, for goodness sakes don't use BioChoice. I don't agree with Aajonus 100%, but I am on almost all raw diet right now -- raw eggs and raw meat mostly.
I think, logically that your raw diet is the natural, human one. I just don't want to do it.
If you are not ready to eat that way, then my "relationship" data WILL bring about the most change, but in these cases a immune system booster will be indicated and BioChoice will be the best choice per conventiaonal medicine.
Awhile ago, you were promoting Transfer Factor for the same reasons. What happened there?
You obviously have bad feelings about BioChoice. I have no such predjudice. I already have done more research on the immune egg than, probably, any distributor, and certaintly than you have since you have exactly wrong data on how the immune egg product is produced.
I certainly cannot match your expertise, but their literature explains the process exactly as I described it in my letters.
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I'm sure you haven't read any of my web site?? www.immuneegg.org <http://www.immuneegg.org> I have hundreds more pages to put there, but it will eventually be the best web site in the world, including any BioChoice web sites, on improvement of the immune system.
I don't much care for your foolish hostility -- you may or may not read more of my stuff -- it is up to you.
I don't quite understand your calling my letter "hostile". Hasn't anyone ever criticized your viewpoints?
But, you will never find anyone as thorough and as honest as I am in terms of research.
I think you are thorough and honest. I just think you are wrong on Biochoice, and on the relationship thing.
Good luck in finding truth elsewhere.
I have just reread your crap (?) and would just as soon never sell you any of my products, just in case you are a customer.
I haven't purchased any of your products, although I have come close. I was a Nutrition For Life distributor and took offense at your calling Oraflow Plus a Fraud. It may be a weaker formula than yours, but certainly not a fraud. That kind of statement, that it is a fraud, has led me to question other of your statements. Like BioChoice, and your Relationship theories.
One of the unstated reasons I've put the relationship material into this article is that I would prefer to never sell any of my products (and we have thousands of customers) if they have a "wrong relationship"
I think, then, that you should put a warning on your web pages to that effect. If you are selling products to people that will not be benefitted by them, could that not be considered fraudulent?
(or take psychiatric drugs) because my stuff won't help those people. So, your hostility
Hostility?
toward this concept tells me that you probably would never do well with my vitamins -- therefore I am safer and better off without you as a liability customer.
I think you got madder and madder as you got into this letter. I am sorry that you took it that way. But, like it or not, I think the relationship angle is bunk. One would have to assume that folks from loving families never get sick. or people with relationship problems are ill all the time. There is no logic here. Sure, there can be definite connections, bad relationships could lead to illness, but I do not believe that there is a definite, recurring causal link.
My problem, and why I wrote, is that your newsletter gives you a position of authority to people. We believe what you say, and act on those beliefs. It is your responsibility to honor this trust and only present us with truthful information. Biochoice is not truthful, and I don't know what word would describe the relationship ideas. I simply can not find any basis for belief. Therefore, my letter. You don't need to respond to this, I have already clearly seen your viewpoint
Cordially, (This was an attempt at humor, right?) XXXX
Karl Loren
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