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Joe

Evelyn

Al

Steve

Conrad

Brian

Jon

Merle

Paul

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Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:01 PM
Subject: Message to Karl Loren about The Wednesday Letter April 2002

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Source:                Comment On The Wednesday Letter -- April 2002
Contact_FirstName:     Lawrence
Contact_Country:       United States

Dear Karl,

Great Letter April 2!

Some Comments on the content.

"Then, during World War II, butter, for some reason, seemed to be in short supply and you had to have a ration coupon to buy the stuff."   

Fats were needed by the war effort.   One could turn in fat at the butcher shop  and get meat ration stamps for it.   Fats contain nitrates or something that goes bang!

"II.  Not too many of my readers will recall those years, in the 1940's much.  I was born in 1931, so I can still recall the horse-drawn truck that brought milk to my home regularly -- including, of course, that Golden Guernsey Milk with the special, 4% milk fat, filling the top of the bottle.  I recall that the ration coupons my family had included some for getting butter.  Butter was rationed.  I wonder why, but it was."

Karl,

I was born 1927, and never saw a horse drawn milk wagon although We lived in small and large towns, in Oregon.

I milked a Jersey and a Gurnsey and made butter in a churn like the one you pictured.  In 1937 we could sell cream but not milk, no one would buy milk from us. We made our surplus into Cottage Cheese and fed it to the Chickens.

 At other times I stirred the packet of orange color into the margarine. 

You may want to change the part about 4%,  that stuff on top of the bottle was simply cream, and I understand that the term 4% refers   to milk that still has 4% butterfat,  like milk from the store, farm kids hated it..  All this before age 11.

Someplace I read recently that sometimes "Margarine" was merely Coconut oil as it is white and melts when warm.

There was a shortage of tires, gasoline, chewing gum and other items also during WWII.

In the middle of the War I went to work in the Shipyard and there were many of  the older people off the farm working for big wages, maybe that made butter scarce because fewer farmers..

Keep up the good work!

Lorenzo

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From: Vibrant Life [mailto:vibrantl@vibrantl.temp.veriohosting.com]

Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 10:42 PM

Subject: Message to Karl Loren about The Wednesday Letter April 2002

 

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Source: Comment On The Wednesday Letter -- April 2002

Contact_FirstName: joe

Contact_Country: australia

message:

Dear Karl,

your april newsletter was excellent you are a humanitarian but prefer SAMARITAN as you are always helping others.

i would like to read the differenc between your chellation and linus pauling's vit c lysine and proline. thank you for your time spent researching this newsletter

EXCELLENT SITE

regards

joe degwara

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Dear Joe

I have quite a bit about the Pauling theories, including some personal letters back and forth between me and one of his devoted students.

Take a look here: 

The Pauling Therapy Rejected
... The Pauling Therapy Rejected. December 26, 2001. Owen R. Fonorow President
Intelisoft Multimedia, Inc. PO Box 3097 Lisle, IL 60532. ...
chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p26.htm - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

Index of Articles About Heart Disease -- Chelation Therapy Online ...
... EECP Strikes Back Against Angina. Aortic Stenosis And Chelation
Therapy. The Pauling Therapy Rejected. Free Radical Activity. ...
chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/indexheartdisease.htm - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

Manganese As Essential And Possibly Toxic Mineral
... THE LINUS PAULING INSTITUTE RECOMMENDATION. The adequate intake (AI) for manganese
(2.3 mg/day for adult men and 1.8 mg/day for adult women) appears sufficient ...
chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p35.htm - 63k - Cached - Similar pages

EDTA Suppositories -- Another Validation Of Oral EDTA
... Dr. Linus Pauling, Two-time Nobel Prize winner. [Karl Note: Dr. Pauling, famous indeed,
has his own very detailed answer to heart disease -- it is NOT chelation ...
chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p20.htm - 101k - Cached - Similar pages

Give me your feelings about these comments on Pauling?

Thanks for writing.

I've published your letter at: 

http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p155.htm

Let me know if you can add anything to your comments?

Karl Loren

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-----Original Message-----
From: Vibrant Life [mailto:vibrantl@vibrantl.temp.veriohosting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:23 AM
Subject: Message to Karl Loren about The Wednesday Letter April 2002


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Source:                Comment On The Wednesday Letter -- April 2002
Contact_FirstName:     Evelyn
Contact_Country:       USA

Dear Karl,

I am a subscriber to your "Wednesday Letter", & want to thank you for the great article on the cholesterol myth.

I am a 60 year old female, who was one of the unfortunate ones "scared" into having by-pass surgery in 1995, to take care of 1 artery with 90 percent blockage & two others with 70 percent, & was told that I would most likely die from a heart attack soon if I didn't have the surgery.

My life has never been the same since.

Right now, my total cholesterol is 300, but I do not take a "statin" drug, because of the side effects they cause for me.

After reading your article, I am rather glad that is true. At present, I am suffering from a bizarre symptom of feeling like I am having a "total body" hot flash for most of the waking hours of the day, & so far the M.D.'s here don't have a clue what is causing it.

They also are completely anti- vitamin or supplement type's of Doctors. How I wish that there was a physician nearby that was open to alternative ways of healing, other than just pushing drugs at you!

Anyway, thank you so much for continuing to try to enlighten the misinformed public.

Sincerely,

Evelyn

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Dear Evelyn,

Thanks very much for the nice words.

You are very fortunate to have avoided the cholesterol-lowering drugs.

Help spread the word.

I suspect that I can help you with those "hot flashes" all over the body -- but first, how about sending me information about your diet and life-style.

I'll respond.

I've published your message on the web at http://www.chelationtherapyonline/articles/p155.htm

Let me know if I can add your eMail address or if you would like to add any other information.

Thanks,

Karl

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-----Original Message-----
From: Vibrant Life [mailto:vibrantl@vibrantl.temp.veriohosting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:09 AM
Subject: Message to Karl Loren about The Wednesday Letter April 2002


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Source:                Comment On The Wednesday Letter -- April 2002
Contact_FirstName:     Al

Dear Karl,   

What a monumental undertaking!!! When do you sleep?

Many, many thanks for the information you dig up and make available to us in easy-to-access format.

Now to read it all and tell friends and relatives about it.

Thank you again,   

AL

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Dear Al,

Good to hear from my good friend!

Glad you liked the article on Cholesterol.

I've published your brief comment at http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p155.htm

If you would like to add anything, including your eMail, to that page, let me know.

 

Cordially,

Karl

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Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:11 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Message to Karl Loren about The Wednesday Letter April 2002
 

Dear Karl,

I thought you might be interested in what this man (http://www.iknowthecause.com/index.html) has to say. 

-steve 

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Dear Steve,

I went to that page -- interesting.

 

I don't think fungal problems are as basic as free radicals, but they are certainly a good expansion on orthodox medicine's cast of bad characters.

 

Did you find the Cholesterol letter useful?

 

Regards,

 

karl Loren

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Dear Karl

I found the cholesterol article quite interesting. 

My first exposure to this type of "counter-culture" thinking began about 5 or 6 years ago when i began the Adkins diet to lose weight.  this is a high protein, low carbohydrate diet. 

It made sense to me that meat and eggs and butter don't make you fat, it's the breads, pastas and sugars that do.  and it sure helped to lose weight. 

 Not too long after starting that, I heard about MSM and started taking that, just because it sounded like kind of a "good for all what ails you" type thing. 

I started taking larger quantities for my bad back and needed to buy in larger quantities. i discovered your MSM website and have bought from you by the kilo.  I take a tablespoon every day and my back has not bothered me for a couple years. 

I thought you might find Doug Kaufman's website interesting because he too feels the pharmaceutical industry causes great harm.

Thanks for your response.

 Best wishes to you and keep up the good work.

 -steve

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Dear Steve,

Doug's web page, on fungal problems, indeed blasts the pharmaceutical industry -- but literally thousands of researchers and writers have done the same -- so that is not very unusual.

But, most of those who expose the lies of the drug industry, like Dr. Effe Ravnskov, do NOT go the next few steps back into the history of WHO had the evil intention in the first place.  I don't think that the evil of the drug industry has ever been a mistake -- it is always traceable back to one human, or many, who have evil intentions toward mankind -- and don't worry much about committing transgressions against the norms of civil society.

Perhaps Doug has done some of that too?  I didn't look.

I guess that what I do is "counter culture" but it is journeys of people like you -- OUT of that culture, into the (what would you call it?) "alternative culture" that I want to encourage.

To me there is no question that the world is in a tail-spin with drugs, terrorism and poverty -- among other things.  It may appear that solutions are in sight, but the downward spiral has continued for many centuries, and I don't think the actual solution is yet very prominent.

I hope I am part of that actual solution -- exposing the fraud in medicine and health care, and I think you are getting more and more into the group that appreciates this type of information.

In other words, the "counter culture" is growing, fortunately, and the "old society" is on its way out!

Write again.

I've published your comments at http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p155.htm

Let me know if I can add your eMail address and any further comments.

Cordially,

Karl Loren

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April 3, 2002
Karl,

Thank you for your wonderful newsletter. I look forward to receiving it every month and share it with friends.

I am on an alternative diet battling diabetes and it sure has helped tremendously. I get resistance from a lot of people who constantly comment on my diet. I seems years of Pavlovian mind control has convinced the public that the trolls are spouting-off sacred doctrine.

It is not P.C. to fight this mindset or its doctrines.

Thanks for being there and keep on fighting like I and many others are doing!

Conrad

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Dear Conrad,

Well done on your diet changes.

Thanks for sharing my newsletter with others.

And I'm pleased to join you in this fight for truth.

I've published your comment at http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p155.htm

Let me know if I can add your eMail address and/or any further comments.

Cordially,

Karl Loren

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Source: Comment On The Wednesday Letter -- April 2002

Contact_FirstName: Brian

Dear Karl,

Your Wednesday report on Cholesterol was extraordinary. I read it with absolute fascination. I will contact you later with a fuller comment.

You MUST continue your pursuit of the TRUTH!

Brian Long.

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Wow, Brian,

What a beginning.

I appreciate your comment very much and look forward to more comment.

I've published your comment at http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p155.htm

Let me know if I can add your eMail address and/or any further comments.

Regards,

Karl Loren

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Dear Karl,

Many thanks for your e-m.

I am more than pleased that you found my comments of interest. Your  observations are like a breath of fresh air in the, generally,  stultifying atmosphere  of modern medical practice.  You might find the following of interest.

Today, (Friday April 5th.)  The London Times contained an article with the headlines: "Unhappy doctors cannot stomach modern medicine."  

The article quotes the prestigious British Medical Journal,  by stating that "Doctors around the world are unhappy with their lot (situation)"  It continues by saying that "It is an international and widespread problem."   Sir George Alberti, President of the Royal College of Physicians, said that "The old association between doctors, patients  and society has broken down,  and a new one is needed to restore doctors' confidence to enable them to work effectively"

The British Medical Journal  established a website  requesting doctors from around the world to respond to its questionaire.

According to The Times the website was "bombarded" with replies from doctors  who recorded " A deep disillusion with the practice of modern medicine."  The article continued by stating "In the US, where doctors have traditionally enjoyed high  status and high earnings, almost 60% of respondents described themselves as being unhappy or very unhappy."

Please feel free to quote this or, indeed, any other comments I may make.

Keep up the good work. It is only by people such as yourself who are willing to challenge orthodoxy  that reason may be established and change affected. .

For a full report please visit the British Medical Journal site.

Regards,

Brian.

PS. If I can find it in my filing system ( some hope!)  I will send you a interesting letter on the  myth of fats and cholesterol, written to The Times a couple of years,  ago by

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Dear Brian,

Great further news.

I've published this on the same page as your original comment.

Help spread the word -- I have 15,000 pages of vital data but it needs more people reading it.  I have well over 100,000 visitors per month on my pages, but that is obviously not yet enough

Thanks, again,

Karl Loren

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Contact_FirstName: Jon
Jon Pridie [jpridie@compusmart.ab.ca]
Contact_Country: Canada

Dear Karl,

Well said!

I agree with your comments.

 I was told to take cholesterol reducing drugs and they gave me a terrible pain in the back near my liver I stopped then tried again three times and gave up on the drugs.

(the drugs are very expensive).

I am glad I have read your information, I now feel better about just eating better and keeping off the manufactured foods eg Margarine etc.

Regards

Jon

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Dear Jon,

Thanks for the nice comments.

And, congratulations on avoiding those expensive drugs.

Tell me more about your diet?

I've published your comment at http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p155.htm

Let me know if I can add your eMail address and/or any further comments.

Regards,

Karl Loren

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Dear Karl, 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Vibrant Life [mailto:vibrantl@vibrantl.temp.veriohosting.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:47 PM
Subject: Message to Karl Loren from the Chelation Therapy On Line Home Section

Contact_FirstName:     Merle
Contact_Country:       US

Dear Karl,

OK, Mr. Loren, I have spent awhile reading this newsletter and have to say I agree with all of it, especially what I am familiar with.

My brother was admitted to a hospital off of a golf course because he lost the ability to even pick up the golf ball and finally fell. The Dr. said he had a stroke and would have to be on blood thinners etc. They put him on some name starting with a C.

He has always been very active, works out with weights, runs miles a day etc.

He quit the medication slowly and has been off it for over 3 years, at first he and I both were frightened to death. He has no problems now except an out of rhythm heart beat which he takes one pill a day for.

I mentioned to some of my friends I was going to tell him about your product and was amazed to hear their remarks:

"He is just like the heart doctors and drug companies. He is trying to get his product sold." How do you know that 30 pills a day wouldn't harm you more than the two or three the Dr. gives you, and who could afford that much money?"

I do believe you are right. I lived in the time when we had our own cows and milked them, had our own butter, milk, eggs, etc. Only one in my whole family had heart problems.

How do I tell a green horn that you are right?????????

Keep up the great work!

Merle

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Dear Merle,

Your brother on Coumadin -- it is rat poison, of course.  Check out the nasty truth about it here:

 http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p72.htm

 Convincing others?  It is not easy.

Part of the answer is in understanding the problem of "prior lies."  People are very likely to accept as truth the first time they hear some datum, particularly if it comes from an authority figure, like a mother, or doctor.

So, Johnny knows nothing about "ear infections," gets one, and the doctor says they are caused by sleeping in a draft.

To Johnny that is now "God's Gospel!"

If you come along and say, "Ear infections are NOT caused by sleeping in a draft," you will not likely get anywhere.

It then helps if you can say, "In fact, it was then discovered that fresh air was vital to a good sleep."

If you, with the person's help, FIND the first time he ever heard that data, actually recall the time when the doctor (or his mother) said it, it will start to be possible to change that false data and replace it with the true data.

If the source of the false data was someone disreputable, like a usual doctor, and Johnny was not particularly fond of this doctor, then it is easier.  You may then even generalize a bit and suggest that "many doctors have had terrible medical educations and some in particular have fallen for a false theory that was floating around in the 19XX's, that sleeping in a draft was unhealthy."

Or some such.

So, bombarding your family with the claim that "cholesterol does not cause heart disease" is not likely to be very productive.  That is why I said that Dr. Uffe had done half the job.

I would suggest that you start with attacking the bad guys.

For instance, it is now proven that the American Heart Association for many years was lying about the death rate from heart disease so that it could claim that its recommendations were "winning the war against heart disease."  Click here for the truth on that.

Recognize, also, that there are a large number of people who are so distrustful that they won't accept ANY new data.  Their problem is that they have been burned too often.  They have bought some pill, tried it, and it didn't work.

With them, you can help them by asking, "When did you take some product that didn't work?"  And stand back for the gusher.  When they start, encourage them to continue.  Then get another, and another and another.  You might then ask them if they ever tried something that "worked" and ask them for another and another.  Soon they will begin to see some differences between their failures and their successes -- that everything has not been a failure, and that maybe, just maybe, there is some hope for something "new."

There are many techniques, but most of all, don't give up.  You love them! They need help and don't know it.

I've published your comment at http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p155.htm

Let me know if I can add your eMail address and/or any further comments.

Karl Loren

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Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: Message to Karl Loren about The Wednesday Letter April 2002


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Source:                Comment On The Wednesday Letter -- April 2002
Contact_FirstName:     Paul
Contact_LastName:      Rekstad
Contact_MiddleInitial: O
 

Dear Karl,

KUDOS X 1000!  As usual you were thorough to the Nth degree. I always Appreciate your knack for relating complex information in understandable terms.

Thanks a million for the excellent - and I mean EXCELLENT - expose!

Best Regards,

Paul

PS: I intend to send this newsletter to my entire mailing list.

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