Let me tell you a story -- it is a true story, but the names are changed for the purpose of privacy.

I am in the business of selling vitamins.  I believe very strongly that my vitamins can help a lot of people -- and help them in very important ways.  Specifically, for most people my oral chelation formula can make the difference between living and dieing -- the difference between having a heart attack and not having one.  I see this very clearly.

I even have considerable research showing that my formula will prevent cancer.

I am also in the "business" of making money -- but for me the business of helping people has always been more important.

So, there are very typical symptoms someone will describe to me -- and when I hear those I can firmly and confidently recommend my oral chelation formula with every expectation that the person will achieve very dramatic improvement in blood flow within three months. That is an astounding expectation.

Sometimes people (let's call her Mary) would write to me, describing their situation, their health, etc., and included in their message would be TWO different items:

Mary

For the first thing, Mary describe all the symptoms I look for in recommending my oral chelation formula   She describes cold or numb feet or fingers, etc.  OK, that's an easy one to suggest she buy my stuff.

• But, then she also describes that she has diabetes, weigh about 100 pounds more than she should and eats a "healthy" diet of fruits and candy!  This is also easy.  This girl is killing herself.  Her diet is exactly the cause of her diabetes.  (Incidentally, the image on the left is of a girl that weighed MORE than 600 pounds, who died, and whose mother was found guilty of child abuse. Here is that story.)

Now, I ask you, what is the ethics of all this.  For me it is an easy answer.  I know that she can be helped with my oral chelation, but I also know that her diet is killing her.  Should I ignore this foolish and dangerous diet, and just tell her that my oral chelation formula will do wonders for her??  It would, you know!

It's an easy answer for me.  Some years ago I was being faced with this specific question fairly often, so I did all the research on diet and published about 3,000 pages about my diet suggestions.  Along the way, before those web pages were finished, I was telling people like Mary that while I could and would sell her my oral chelation I considered it far more important to change her diet.  I would send her a copy of my article on diet -- I would answer her further questions about her food and diabetes.  You understand that I am not a doctor and that nothing I sell has anything to do with treating diabetes.

But, I would consider it unethical for me to push oral chelation on such a person, at least without strongly indicating to them that the diet change would be more important and more valuable to them than my oral chelation.

Now, if Mary insisted on buying my oral chelation, either with or without her promise to improve her diet, I am willing to sell to her.   But, I worry about that customer.

I think if all my customers were like Mary I would have many failures among my customers.  If Mary bought the oral chelation, didn't change her diet, the chances are good that she would NOT have good results from the oral chelation -- or that she would get worse from her diabetes no matter how much better she might be from the oral chelation.

But, in any event, my company policy in these cases is to advise strongly that the person should change their diet, but after I've done that, I'm willing to sell my stuff.

Now there is a fair chance that Mary, and the people like her, have some emotional blindness to "health," that they are not very willing to do what is necessary to improve their health.  You might even say that such a person has a "death wish," and that they make very poor customers -- they die!  Many people are looking for the "magic bullet" and will buy anything for which outlandish claims are made. 

But, there is another type of prospective customer.  This type, to give you an analogy, is like the woman who walks into my store, says she wants to buy my oral chelation pills, but I notice that she has a gushing wound -- she is losing blood at a very fast rate.  It looks to me that she will die in a few minutes if we don't get the blood flow stopped.  So, I say something like, "Well I can sell you some oral chelation, but before we talk about that, let me help you stop the bleeding!"

She says, "No.  I just want those pills!

It would seem obvious, wouldn't it.  I am not about to sell her any pills.  But, neither am I going to try to force some medical treatment on her.  I might call 911 and report what is happening -- allow the paramedics to do their thing, or I might even try to help her even if she didn't want help.  But, I sure wouldn't just sell her pills while she is bleeding to death -- no matter what she might say.

So, there is this class of prospective customers -- the one who is taking anti-depressants, or any type of psychiatric drugs!  He is bleeding to death, but he doesn't think so, and even much of society thinks those pills are good for him.

It doesn't bother me that either he, or any number of other people don't understand or agree with me.  I'm used to that.  After all, I'm the guy who says that "high cholesterol" is NOT a risk for heart disease -- when literally thousands of doctors say the opposite.  I don't mind disagreeing with them.

I don't mind disagreeing with the guy who says that he needs his Prozac in order to function.  I don't mind disagreeing with the doctor who prescribes Prozac for him.  I happen to believe that the guy is doing WORSE than bleeding to death -- it is slower, but it is worse.  He is destroying his mind, while his body continues to live.  His body lives, eventually, in a vegetative state, but his mind is destroyed.

He doesn't agree with me?  Here is what the FDA says on this, March 23, 2004, as reported in the Wall Street Journal:

The Food and Drug Administration sharply stepped up warnings about possible risks to patients taking antidepressant drugs, asking doctors, families and caregivers to watch closely for signs of increasing depression or suicidal thinking.

The FDA asked the makers of 10 major antidepressant drugs, including versions of Prozac, Wellbutrin, Paxil, Effexor and Zoloft, to place more detailed, explicit warnings on the labels for their medicines. The FDA didn't order the manufacturers to change their labels, but urged them to do so voluntarily. The new cautions would ask doctors to monitor patients for a variety of symptoms from insomnia and irritability to hostility and panic attacks that might possibly signal greater risks.  (Source)

Well, that's OK with me if he wants to destroy his mind, or commit suicide.  I still regard him in the same fashion as I regard that guy who wants to buy my pills while he is bleeding to death.

It just happens that the guy who is bleeding to death?  His plight is easier for most people to see. The guy swallowing Prozac?  His doom is not so easy for many others to predict.  Not everyone who gets Prozac eventually gets shock treatment -- it used to be more common. The psychs found that electroconvulsive therapy got such a bad image that they hardly do it -- but it is the final remedy for mad behavior!

But, I see his doom very clearly, and it is just as unethical for me to sell him my pills as it would be to sell my pills to the guy bleeding all over the floor.  I'm willing to sell my pills to the Diabetic, but I insist on also giving them the truth as I see it.

I'm not willing to sell my pills to the guy bleeding, or they guy taking any psychiatric drug.

I don't even have any obligation to explain why! Do I?  I do explain why.  I probably have more pages about the evils of Prozac amongst my 19 web sites than any web in the world.  I consider myself a true expert in this field -- the harmful effects of psychiatric drugs on someone.

So, I often get caught up in a fascinating exchange of messages with someone -- I think he is a great guy or woman, that I'll sell some pills and he or she will get great results.   Then the guy, not knowing my feelings about psychiatric drugs, just casually mentions to me that he is taking Prozac -- maybe he says, "I'm taking Prozac. Will that interfere with my oral chelation pills?"

Sorry, Mac!  I won't sell to him -- nothing.  I will give him advice on how important it is to his future to get off the psychiatric drug.  But, I won't even talk to him about  ANYTHING else.

I get letters all the time, from grieving relatives and friends, like this one:

My brother was on PROZAK.

I didn't know!

He shot himself in the head a week ago on April 18th.   (Read it all, and read my reply.)

This the page on my web sites where I direct him -- he gets the same story that any other person would -- any person who tells me that he is taking some psychiatric drug.

There is no need for you to try to convince me that I am wrong.

For instance, you would have a hard time trying to convince me that child molestation is OK.  Don't try.  You take psychiatric drugs and are convinced they help you?  Well, good enough for you, but I will not listen to such foolishness, nor engage in any dialogue with you on this.  It is a closed book as far as I am concerned.

I hope that my position on this will help some people decide to quit. There is a letter from just such a person BELOW.  I've had more.  I've also had people who got very angry at me -- called me all sorts of names.  It only bothers me that people are willing to be happy about committing suicide.

So, that's the background of my firm Company Policy.

I have a firm company policy that I will not sell any of my products to anyone taking any psych drug.

The United States Government, as part of its "continuing program to educate Americans about the dangers of high cholesterol" is in the position of recommending psychiatric treatment for someone who is unable to stay on the so-called "heart-smart" diet.  There are many other forces, with powerful voices, that tell people they should take anti-depressants and other mind-altering drugs.  The people making these recommendations are among the most evil on the planet.  Currently they are gaining -- there are more and more psychiatric drugs being sold and consumed.

I believe that anyone taking a psych drug is moving rapidly toward death and that it would be unethical for me to accept money for any of my products when I know that my products cannot prevent the terrible damage being done by the psych drug.

An analogy would be this:

To me the continued use of a psychiatric drug is worse than a bleeding wound that will ultimately cause death. The psychiatric drug may SEEM to take longer to kill, and it will kill, but the damage to the mind is enormous and not as easily seen as the approaching death.

So, I also refuse to answer any health questions from someone taking a psych drug -- it is that serious in my mind.

I consider that a person who is taking psychiatric drugs has locked his mind to the truth -- accepted terrible lies.  That lie is so large that he needs to clean it out of his mind before ANYTHING good can be accepted.

The ONLY advice I will ever give someone taking a psych drug is -- GET OFF!

Further, I urge that you go to the doctor who prescribed this psych drug and demand that he get you off it -- make him responsible.

He will try to talk you into staying on it -- with threats of doom, etc.!

I say to the person, "You must insist that he take you off."

ONLY if he refuses to help, will I help.  And, I do know how to help you get off psychiatric drugs.

There is a further price to pay to me and to society.

I then demand of you that you give me that doctor's name, address, phone.  I will publish that information about a doctor who is prescribing deadly drugs -- publish in my Hall of Infamy on the Web.  If you can a photo, I'll publish that.  I would also need to have a business card or some other form of printed material showing his name and address.  I will notify that person of what I am about to do.

 When you have done THAT, I can help you get off the psych drug and have some chance toward health.

 Until you get off that psych drug there is no hope for you.

 I hope this wakes you up enough to take responsibility for yourself -- to get off that drug.

I have experience, now, with people who seem very sincere, who say to me, "Karl, I like what you said and I have quit taking the psych drug."

Sorry, that is no longer enough.

Why?

For YOUR sake.

People who suffer "anxiety attacks" are so upset by these feelings that they will turn to the doctor for anti-depressant "help." They get the help -- the help, of course, is killing them, but they don't suffer the anxiety feelings.

Then, they decide to quit. They quit.  They tell me that they have quit.  This is the truth.

But, there is another truth also -- that they have, hidden in the back of their mind, that they can try this "Karl Loren thing" but if it doesn't work, they always go back to the psych drug.

In other words, even if unconsciously, they are STILL dependent on that doctor to "rescue them" if they decide they need a chemical rescue.

If I were talking to you personally, eye-ball to eye-ball, I wouldn't have to do this.  I could, by my proximity to you, see what is happening. When I have to work through eMail, it is easy for someone to tell me they have quit the drug, but still to harbor this hidden idea that they can go back on it if they need to.

So, I ask them to do something that will burn the bridge to the doctor who prescribed the anti-depressant or other psych drug.

IF they do that there is less likelihood that they will, so to speak, "fall off the wagon of their resolve to live a drug-free life."

So, I don't politely "ask" but I demand of you that you give me that doctor's name.  I will then contact him to be sure that he is not being falsely named, and then publish his name on my web site.

He probably will be angry at you?  I would imagine.  So, he is not very likely to take you back as a patient and give you more drugs.

So, for YOUR sake, I demand this action of you.

If someone has already started using my products and then I discover that they are taking an anti-depressant I will notify that person of my policy and mark that person's record in my files as not being allowed to purchase any more of my products.  Any person who is so notified, can get back into good standing with me, simply by getting OFF the psych drug -- which will give him health benefits of great magnitude.

There is a larger purpose here.  Those who take psychiatric drugs are not only harming themselves, but also everyone around them -- causing great pain and upset.

Check out the chart below (SOURCE) and see that anti-depressants account for three of the top ten drugs.  Two others of these top ten are cholesterol-lowering drugs -- completely worthless -- click here for that data.