Write to Karl Loren -- he will answer
References to Karl Loren Web Pages about Psychiatry and Psychiatric Drugs
Distraught Grandmother writes to Karl Loren
Mental Health Watchdog Applauds President's Commission on Excellence in Special Education
Against Depression, a Sugar Pill Is Hard to Beat
Distraught Grandmother writes to Karl Loren
I lost my wife, children and home because of Paxil
The Drug Treatment Of Depression Is One Of The Greatest Fallacies In The History Of Medicine
Mary, with Fibromyalgia, avoids psych drugs and agrees with Karl's material
You Didn't Believe Me -- But I Got Off The Drug Cold Turkey -- Now Here Is The Name Of That Doctor
You Didn't Believe Me -- But I Got Off The Drug Cold Turkey -- Now Here Is The Name Of That Doctor
Steve "turns in" another drug pusher, this one is Dr. Patricia Sarkar in Florida.
The Sorry List Of Medical Drug Victims -- Prescriptions By Drug Pushers
Dear Friend,
Let me tell you a story -- it is a true story, but the names are changed for the purpose of privacy.
I am in the business of selling vitamins. I believe very strongly that my vitamins can help a lot of people -- and help them in very important ways. Specifically, for most people my oral chelation formula can make the difference between living and dieing -- the difference between having a heart attack and not having one. I see this very clearly.
I even have considerable research showing that my formula will prevent cancer.
I am also in the "business" of making money -- but for me the business of helping people has always been more important.
So, there are very typical symptoms someone will describe to me -- and when I hear those I can firmly and confidently recommend my oral chelation formula with every expectation that the person will achieve very dramatic improvement in blood flow within three months. That is an astounding expectation.
Sometimes people (let's call her Mary) would write to me, describing their situation, their health, etc., and included in their message would be TWO different items:
Mary
For th
e
first thing, Mary describe all the symptoms
I look for in recommending my oral
chelation formula She describes
cold or numb
feet or fingers, etc. OK, that's an
easy one to suggest she
buy my stuff.
But, then she also describes that she has diabetes, weigh about 100 pounds more than she should and eats a "healthy" diet of fruits and candy! This is also easy. This girl is killing herself. Her diet is exactly the cause of her diabetes. (Incidentally, the image on the left is of a girl that weighed MORE than 600 pounds, who died, and whose mother was found guilty of child abuse. Here is that story.)
Now, I ask you, what is the ethics of all this. For me it is an easy answer. I know that she can be helped with my oral chelation, but I also know that her diet is killing her. Should I ignore this foolish and dangerous diet, and just tell her that my oral chelation formula will do wonders for her?? It would, you know!
It's an easy answer for me. Some years ago I was being faced with this specific question fairly often, so I did all the research on diet and published about 3,000 pages about my diet suggestions. Along the way, before those web pages were finished, I was telling people like Mary that while I could and would sell her my oral chelation I considered it far more important to change her diet. I would send her a copy of my article on diet -- I would answer her further questions about her food and diabetes. You understand that I am not a doctor and that nothing I sell has anything to do with treating diabetes.
But, I would consider it unethical for me to push oral chelation on such a person, at least without strongly indicating to them that the diet change would be more important and more valuable to them than my oral chelation.
Now, if Mary insisted on buying my oral chelation, either with or without her promise to improve her diet, I am willing to sell to her. But, I worry about that customer.
I think if all my customers were like Mary I would have many failures among my customers. If Mary bought the oral chelation, didn't change her diet, the chances are good that she would NOT have good results from the oral chelation -- or that she would get worse from her diabetes no matter how much better she might be from the oral chelation.
But, in any event, my company policy in these cases is to advise strongly that the person should change their diet, but after I've done that, I'm willing to sell my stuff.
Now there is a fair chance that Mary, and the people like her, have some emotional blindness to "health," that they are not very willing to do what is necessary to improve their health. You might even say that such a person has a "death wish," and that they make very poor customers -- they die! Many people are looking for the "magic bullet" and will buy anything for which outlandish claims are made.
But,
there is another type of prospective
customer. This type, to give you an
analogy, is like the woman who walks into
my store, says she wants to buy my oral
chelation pills, but I notice that she has
a gushing wound -- she is losing blood at a
very fast rate. It looks to me that
she will die in a few minutes if we don't
get the blood flow stopped. So, I say
something like, "Well I can sell you some
oral chelation, but before we talk about
that, let me help you stop the bleeding!"
She says, "No. I just want those pills!
It would seem obvious, wouldn't it. I am not about to sell her any pills. But, neither am I going to try to force some medical treatment on her. I might call 911 and report what is happening -- allow the paramedics to do their thing, or I might even try to help her even if she didn't want help. But, I sure wouldn't just sell her pills while she is bleeding to death -- no matter what she might say.
So, there is this class of prospective customers -- the one who is taking anti-depressants, or any type of psychiatric drugs! He is bleeding to death, but he doesn't think so, and even much of society thinks those pills are good for him.
It doesn't bother me that either he, or any number of other people don't understand or agree with me. I'm used to that. After all, I'm the guy who says that "high cholesterol" is NOT a risk for heart disease -- when literally thousands of doctors say the opposite. I don't mind disagreeing with them.
I don't mind disagreeing
with the guy who says that he needs his
Prozac in order to function. I don't
mind disagreeing with
the doctor who prescribes Prozac for him.
I happen to believe that the guy is doing
WORSE than bleeding to death -- it is
slower, but it is worse. He is
destroying his mind, while his body
continues to live. His body lives,
eventually, in a vegetative state, but his
mind is destroyed.
He doesn't agree with me? Here is what the FDA says on this, March 23, 2004, as reported in the Wall Street Journal:
The Food and Drug Administration sharply stepped up warnings about possible risks to patients taking antidepressant drugs, asking doctors, families and caregivers to watch closely for signs of increasing depression or suicidal thinking.
The FDA asked the makers of 10 major antidepressant drugs, including versions of Prozac, Wellbutrin, Paxil, Effexor and Zoloft, to place more detailed, explicit warnings on the labels for their medicines. The FDA didn't order the manufacturers to change their labels, but urged them to do so voluntarily. The new cautions would ask doctors to monitor patients for a variety of symptoms from insomnia and irritability to hostility and panic attacks that might possibly signal greater risks. (Source)
Well, that's OK with me if he wants to destroy his mind, or commit suicide. I still regard him in the same fashion as I regard that guy who wants to buy my pills while he is bleeding to death.
It just happens that the
guy who is bleeding to death? His
plight is easier for most people to see.
The guy swallowing
Prozac? His doom is not so easy for
many others to predict. Not everyone
who gets Prozac eventually gets shock
treatment -- it used to be more common. The
psychs found that electroconvulsive therapy
got such a bad image that they hardly do it
-- but it is the final remedy for mad
behavior!
But,
I see his doom very clearly, and it is just
as unethical for me to sell him my pills as
it would be to sell my pills to the guy
bleeding all over the floor. I'm
willing to sell my pills to the Diabetic,
but I insist on also giving them the truth
as I see it.
I'm not willing to sell my pills to the guy bleeding, or they guy taking any psychiatric drug.
I don't even have any obligation to explain why! Do I? I do explain why. I probably have more pages about the evils of Prozac amongst my 19 web sites than any web in the world. I consider myself a true expert in this field -- the harmful effects of psychiatric drugs on someone.
So, I often get caught up in a fascinating exchange of messages with someone -- I think he is a great guy or woman, that I'll sell some pills and he or she will get great results. Then the guy, not knowing my feelings about psychiatric drugs, just casually mentions to me that he is taking Prozac -- maybe he says, "I'm taking Prozac. Will that interfere with my oral chelation pills?"
Sorry, Mac! I won't sell to him -- nothing. I will give him advice on how important it is to his future to get off the psychiatric drug. But, I won't even talk to him about ANYTHING else.
I get letters all the time, from grieving relatives and friends, like this one:
My brother was on PROZAK.
I didn't know!
He shot himself in the head a week ago on April 18th. (Read it all, and read my reply.)
This the page on my web sites where I direct him -- he gets the same story that any other person would -- any person who tells me that he is taking some psychiatric drug.
There is no need for you to try to convince me that I am wrong.
For instance, you would have a hard time trying to convince me that child molestation is OK. Don't try. You take psychiatric drugs and are convinced they help you? Well, good enough for you, but I will not listen to such foolishness, nor engage in any dialogue with you on this. It is a closed book as far as I am concerned.
I hope that my position on this will help some people decide to quit. There is a letter from just such a person BELOW. I've had more. I've also had people who got very angry at me -- called me all sorts of names. It only bothers me that people are willing to be happy about committing suicide.
So,
that's the background of my firm Company
Policy.
I have a firm company policy that I will not sell any of my products to anyone taking any psych drug.
The United States Government, as part of its "continuing program to educate Americans about the dangers of high cholesterol" is in the position of recommending psychiatric treatment for someone who is unable to stay on the so-called "heart-smart" diet. There are many other forces, with powerful voices, that tell people they should take anti-depressants and other mind-altering drugs. The people making these recommendations are among the most evil on the planet. Currently they are gaining -- there are more and more psychiatric drugs being sold and consumed.
I believe that anyone taking a psych drug is moving rapidly toward death and that it would be unethical for me to accept money for any of my products when I know that my products cannot prevent the terrible damage being done by the psych drug.
An analogy would be this:
To me the continued use of a psychiatric drug is worse than a bleeding wound that will ultimately cause death. The psychiatric drug may SEEM to take longer to kill, and it will kill, but the damage to the mind is enormous and not as easily seen as the approaching death.
So, I
also refuse to answer any health questions
from someone taking a psych drug -- it is
that serious in my mind.
I consider that a person who is taking psychiatric drugs has locked his mind to the truth -- accepted terrible lies. That lie is so large that he needs to clean it out of his mind before ANYTHING good can be accepted.
The ONLY advice I will ever give someone taking a psych drug is -- GET OFF!
Further, I urge that you go to the doctor who prescribed this psych drug and demand that he get you off it -- make him responsible.
He will try to talk you into staying on it -- with threats of doom, etc.!
I say to the person, "You must insist that he take you off."
ONLY if he refuses to help, will I help. And, I do know how to help you get off psychiatric drugs.
There is a further price to pay to me and to society.
I then demand of you that you give me that doctor's name, address, phone. I will publish that information about a doctor who is prescribing deadly drugs -- publish in my Hall of Infamy on the Web. If you can a photo, I'll publish that. I would also need to have a business card or some other form of printed material showing his name and address. I will notify that person of what I am about to do.
When you have done THAT, I can help you get off the psych drug and have some chance toward health.
Until you get off that psych drug there is no hope for you.
I hope this wakes you up enough to take responsibility for yourself -- to get off that drug.
I have experience, now, with people who seem very sincere, who say to me, "Karl, I like what you said and I have quit taking the psych drug."
Sorry, that is no longer enough.
Why?
For YOUR sake.
People who suffer "anxiety attacks" are so upset by these feelings that they will turn to the doctor for anti-depressant "help." They get the help -- the help, of course, is killing them, but they don't suffer the anxiety feelings.
Then, they decide to quit. They quit. They tell me that they have quit. This is the truth.
But, there is another truth also -- that they have, hidden in the back of their mind, that they can try this "Karl Loren thing" but if it doesn't work, they always go back to the psych drug.
In other words, even if unconsciously, they are STILL dependent on that doctor to "rescue them" if they decide they need a chemical rescue.
If I were talking to you personally, eye-ball to eye-ball, I wouldn't have to do this. I could, by my proximity to you, see what is happening. When I have to work through eMail, it is easy for someone to tell me they have quit the drug, but still to harbor this hidden idea that they can go back on it if they need to.
So, I ask them to do something that will burn the bridge to the doctor who prescribed the anti-depressant or other psych drug.
IF they do that there is less likelihood that they will, so to speak, "fall off the wagon of their resolve to live a drug-free life."
So, I don't politely "ask" but I demand of you that you give me that doctor's name. I will then contact him to be sure that he is not being falsely named, and then publish his name on my web site.
He probably will be angry at you? I would imagine. So, he is not very likely to take you back as a patient and give you more drugs.
So, for YOUR sake, I demand this action of you.
If someone has already started using my products and then I discover that they are taking an anti-depressant I will notify that person of my policy and mark that person's record in my files as not being allowed to purchase any more of my products. Any person who is so notified, can get back into good standing with me, simply by getting OFF the psych drug -- which will give him health benefits of great magnitude.
There is a larger purpose here. Those who take psychiatric drugs are not only harming themselves, but also everyone around them -- causing great pain and upset.
Check out the chart below (SOURCE) and see that anti-depressants account for three of the top ten drugs. Two others of these top ten are cholesterol-lowering drugs -- completely worthless -- click here for that data.
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The psychiatric assault on our sanity and health is relentless. Click here for a typical (false) explanation of why you may need an anti-depressant.
Some doctors even prescribe Prozac for weight loss! There seems to be no end to the evil that is done in the name of help, by psychiatrists and psychiatric drugs.
Each person who takes any of these forms of "help" must bear some personal responsibility for starting the process of suicide.
Here
is a view on this. I was, for many
months, the Executive Director of the Los
Angeles Chapter of the Citizens Commission
on Human Rights -- a group formed for the
purpose of exposing the abuses of
psychiatry.
"We may be the last generation that has the drug-free clarity of vision, intellect and commitment to fight the spiritual war we are engaged in. Our generation, our very souls, will be judged on how well we fought for our children's future. The lives of our children depend on the legacy we leave. Through CCHR, we have the ability to gather the necessary troops in this battle. So, I urge you, please continue to be warriors."
— Norman Resnick
Professor Emeritus of Special Education
Ph.D. in Educational Psychology
I probably have more pages about the harm done to both the individual and to society by anti-depressants -- more pages than any other web site in the world.
I have 19 web sites, more than 20,000 pages. Many hundreds of those pages deal with Prozac or other psychiatric drugs. Some of those pages are among the most popular of ANY of my pages. I have a statistical report system that tells me how many visitors, each day, look at any particular page. Out of 20,000 pages, of course, many of those never get looked at all. My pages on the evils of psychiatric drugs are always among the top ten pages for the various web sites where I've placed them.
My introductory page about Eli Lilly, the makers of Prozac, always scores the second most popular page on one web site (the home page generally always comes in first).
Behind all this are the hundreds of hours of research I've done about psychiatric drugs, and the hundreds of DAYS I've spent counseling people who suffer from drug addiction -- including both psychiatric drugs and street drugs.
So, I am no amateur when it comes to understanding the effects of these drugs -- on the person, on those around him and on everyone in society.
I also run a very successful vitamin business -- selling vitamin formulas that I have, personally, formulated, all over the world. My 15,000 web pages attract about 10,000 visitors per day, and we get orders to ship our products all over the world. My formulas are generally unique -- that is, no other source in the world has the same formulas. My vitamin formulas have a very high degree of "workability" -- that is, they do exactly what I claim they will do.
One of my first clues to the dangers of psychiatric drugs arose when I did an analysis of people who had purchased my vitamin products and then asked for refunds! This is an extremely rare thing in my life. We offer a 12-month money-back guarantee when someone buys any one bottle of my products. Our refund rate is less than 1%! So, we have very, very few refunds.
When I started getting more information from those who requested refunds I found that a large percentage of them were taking some anti-depressant! I tied that to my research on psychiatric drugs. It is plain to me that once someone starts taking an anti-depressant drug they do not benefit from vitamins until they get off the psychiatric drug.
They SEEM to benefit, at first, because, of course, these people are generally very badly in need of nutritional help, and have many vitamin deficiencies. But, after some initial feeling that the vitamins are helping, the continued use of the psychiatric drug drives them "down tone" so much that they start getting sicker, more depressed, often more violent, and in any event they become very poor risks as customers. They cease to benefit from my vitamins. They then complain about my vitamins or ask for refunds. They inevitably blame the wrong thing for their problems -- their problems are CAUSED by the psychiatric drug, but they tend to blame anything and everything else around them.
Psychiatric drugs "work" for only one reason. They drive the person down toward the state of "vegetable." In other words, if a person is agitated, or sad, or whatever, there is a state that doesn't have these problems. The state would be "walking vegetable."
In any event, I soon realized that I was not helping people on anti-depressants when I sold them my vitamins. So, my primary mission of helping people was not working for these sales of my vitamins. I also realized that I was actually going to lose customers and money because of these people.
But, I still want to help. So, what should I do?
I decided to adopt the very firm policy that I will NOT sell any of my products to ANY person who is taking any anti-depressant or any psychiatric drug.
No sales!
Now, I realize that someone may not tell me! They may just purchase my vitamins, and I might sell some, but when I find out about this I take a very firm stand and insist that they must get off the psychiatric drugs.
HERE is the help I offer to these people.
I do NOT even offer to help them get off the drug. Because of my very extensive experience with hundreds of drug addicts, including those taking psychiatric drugs, I know EXACTLY how to help a person get off these drugs.
But, psychiatric drugs are selling many, many billions of dollars every year and the amount is increasing. Mankind is losing this battle to the evil and greed of the likes of Eli Lilly.
So, in order to contribute to the good of society, and mankind, I have this policy.
I offer to help by explaining the damage done by psychiatric drugs.
I offer to help by insisting that the person get off the drug. The way to do that is to go to the doctor who prescribed these drugs in the first place and DEMAND that HE help you get off the drug.
In most cases they will work very hard to convince you that you should stay on the drugs. If he cannot convince you on that, he will never much help you to get off, because, in truth, he doesn't know how to do that. I do!
So, once you have demanded that the prescribing doctor help you get off the drug, and he refuses, then your next duty to society is to help me put that doctor out of business.
I recognize that someone may say that they desperately want to get off the drug, want my help, but secretly understand that if "Karl Loren doesn't help, I can always go back to the shrink!" That attitude makes it almost impossible to get off the drug -- you are still dependent on the shrink, even if you are not taking the drug just now.
When you give me the doctor's name, and I contact the doctor, and the doctor realizes that he/she has been "turned in" by a former patient, and that I am going to publish that doctor's name on my web? Well, I suspect the person has sufficiently burned his/her bridges to the doctor that at least that path of dependency is gone. So, that is part of my reasoning.
I then demand of you that you give me the doctors name, address, phone, etc. Preferably this would be his business card or some office hand-out with his office name and address. It would be very helpful to me if you can give me an eMail address.
I will send that person a letter, or email, letting them know that someone has claimed that they are prescribing psychiatric drugs -- giving them a chance to deny this if they wish.
If they do not answer, or reply that "yes, I do prescribe psychiatric drugs," I will then publish their name and details in my "Hall of Infamy" =-= a web page devoted to listing the doctors, and others, who I have found to be enemies of mankind.
This is how serious I view it all.
Then, and only then, will I work closely with the person who has become addicted to the psychiatric drug -- to help that person recover from the addiction, and to get him back on the road to health.
And, I do know exactly how to help such a person.
This has been a long letter. If it is YOU, reading this letter, who is taking the psychiatric drug, then you may have well gotten angry and not read to this point. I'm sorry for you.
But, if you have gotten to this point, then I urge you to click on this link to a page of mine where this policy is explained and where you will find links to literally hundreds of other pages about the evils of psychiatric drugs.
Go to: http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p176.htm
Then you, or whoever, should write to tell me of the progress you are making to get off the drug. I will answer.
Personal Messages
You Didn't Believe Me -- But I Got Off The Drug Cold Turkey -- Now Here Is The Name Of That Doctor
More Messages below:
I sent the message on this page to someone recently, and got back this answer:
June 2002
Dear Karl,
I'm a 50 year old who's been relatively blessed
with a strong body my whole life. I've had two
basil cell carsonoma removed about 15 years
ago.....one on my left temple area and one from
the upper chest. I've just recently been
diagnosed with another right in the middle of my
forehead. They want to send me to a plastic
surgeon this time since it's in the middle of my
face.
My concern is I'm anxiety prone (causing GERD
and headaches lately) and all I'm thinking about
lately is how my Grandfather , my favorite role
model, died of cancer and his seemed to all start
from getting skin cancer at about the same age
mine started occurring.
I'm presently taking Xanax (1/4 mg per day) for
anxiety and panic attacks, which has helped
tremendously for my gastro problems and general
well being. I've even started exercising again
and have lost 40 of the 50 lbs I was overweight.
I'm also a "juicer" and love drinking all the
different health "cocktails" that Mr. xx and
others have come up with.
My point is , I've never in my life taken drugs,
but being on this low level for only the past 3
months has helped me get a "battle plan" together
to take care of my next 50 years I intend on
living. I'm a prayer and I meditate daily in
the tub with candles music ( my wife thinks it's
cute) I love to lift weights and take long walks,
again! So. I believe in trying everything before
resorting to surgeries. One should dig deeper I
say.
My question is ......what do you think of my
"battle plan" and what does your research /
methods do for the elimination of skin cancers?
Thanks for your time Karl and for letting me
share.
XX
Dear XX,
I do not offer ANY
help to any person taking any psychiatric drug.
I do not expect you to read all that I have to
say on this, but you are harming yourself ==
terribly.
You are a very, very poor risk for ANY health
care professional because you are on a path to
doom and death.
I only suggest that you MUST get off any psych
drug.
I urge you to go to the doctor who put you on it.
(He is guilty of malpractice.) Demand that he
get you off.
If he refuses, and you tell me his name, I can
help you get off that drug -- but no other help
until you are free of the psych drug.
Regards,
Karl Loren
Dear Karl,
Thanks for your feedback. I'm in the process of
eliminating these psychiatric drugs as we speak.
The 90 days I've been on them at the initial dose
is over and the weaning process has already
begun.
I appreciate your "energy" on this very much and
I agree whole heartedly. I appreciate you being
there and listing the website so people may see
the way clear to a real health path.
Regards,
XX
Dear XX,
Very, very well done!
You can help yourself get off by drinking lots more water, using phenyalanine, and even getting into a sauna to sweat as often as you can.
You might also want to change your diet.
Here is the simplicity of improving your situation.(Sent copy of article on Simplicity)
Karl Loren
Dear
Karl,
THANK YOU , THANK YOU , THANK YOU!!! MY
BROTHER!
After only slight consternation from your
initial reply to me I realized that a
"message" was being sent back to me from
some far away place reminiscent of a
healthier, stronger, (of course
....younger) and pain free time of my life.
The place that came to me instantly was
not far from where you live. I was at
college in Pasadena. Where it didn't
really matter what I ate in the old
cafeteria there as long as it was a LOT of
food. I lifted weights simply for the fun
of watching my arms and chest "pump up" and
was on the wrestling team for a while. I
also worked a part time job and carried a
full credit load while majoring in Art. I
remember being able to go SOUNDLY to sleep
in a matter of seconds because I was
ridiculously happy and the thought of dying
suddenly from some horrible disease was THE
furthest thing from my mind.
Karl, I lived and thought that way MOSTLY
for the next 25 years. I'm 51 on the 3rd
of this July. It wasn't until 5 years ago
that on the heals of a few terrible events
in my life that I started to feel the
absolute OPPOSITE of what I described in
the above paragraph. Within 1 1/2 year's
time my father died, my 18 year old
daughter was raped and my wife had an
affair with my "friend" and lead guitarist
of the Christian band we were in. All of
this disintegrated a Sign business, a
Ministry, and (almost) a Marriage (we've
reconciled and are recovering gracefully).
Even though, "they" say, that ALL of those
events are what caused my General Anxiety
Disorder and therefore, the GERD, and
subsequent Rx's for Proton Pump Inhibitors
together with anti depressants and anti
anxiety drugs...........
I HONESTLY believe, now, that it was MOSTLY
caused from a. ) NOT loving to exercise for
the "fun of it" and b.) NOT eating full
and wholesome meals, and c.) NOT working
100% as an the Artist, GOD, made in me!!!
Well, all of that to say this. I have for
the last two days since receiving your
unadulterated and brutally honest retort to
my admission of taken these prescribed
"mind altering drugs", have quit COLD
TURKEY!! I immediately started to drink
nothing but water and fresh homemade juiced
carrots and apples. Also celery, parsely
and cabbage. The very next day after
receiving your letter I went outside and
mowed the lawn as fast as I possibly could
with my sweats on and shouted to the Lord,
"God.......give me the strength to DO
THIS.....or take me home now!!!!!" You
know what? I haven't felt that good in
about 6 YEARS! I jumped in the tub (hot
water) of bubble bath , lit some candles,
put on some music, and just began to weep
for pure joy!
It's been over two days now. I've had ZERO
repercussions. Thankfully, I've only been
on the initial dosages of the meds for the
last 90 days.
I'm convinced that I'm on the correct path
to renewed health and I'm now ready for my
next 51 years or so. Thanks so very much,
Karl.
More to come........
Grateful Regards,
XX
Dear XX,
If you are happy with the change in your life, you can believe that I am even happier!
It is a risk every time I send out a message as blunt as mine was to you.
I suppose the most of the people who receive that type of message will get angry and never change.
But, I would rather have that reaction ten times if I can get YOUR reaction once!
You may think you are validating my approach? Rather you are validating yourself for being just at the right point where you were able and willing to make this change in your life.
Very hearty congratulations to you. Well done!
Continue!
Keep me informed?
Cordially,
Karl Loren
June 25, 2002
Los Angeles Daily News
June 17, 2002 21:30:00
LOS ANGELES -- Seven Mesquite School parents whose children were given a controversial survey that asked questions of a sexual nature have filed a claim against Palmdale School District of the Antelope Valley, about 50 miles northwest of downtown Los Angeles.
The survey had asked youngsters if they thought about having sex, if they thought about "touching other people's private parts" and if they didn't trust people because they might want sex.
"Hopefully they will never do something like this again. We needed to protect our children's rights the best way we could." said parent Tammany Fields, whose 10-year-old son was given the survey.
The school board is scheduled to consider the parents' claim at its closed-session meeting today. The claim filed May 30 by the parents of four children charges the survey was a violation of state and federal constitutional rights.
"It wasn't unexpected. The board will determine what they will do with it," Superintendent Nancy Smith said Monday.
"Parents have the statutory right to know, in advance, whether their children will be given sex education at a school, and if they choose, in their sole discretion, to exempt their children from such education. By robbing the claimants of the right to control their children's upbringing, the district simultaneously robbed the students of their innocence and the claimants of their status as parents," the claim said.
Prompted by parents' complaints, the district in January halted the survey that was administered to 13 third- and fifth-graders by a mental health therapist for her doctoral degree.
The district investigated the circumstances around the survey and adopted new policies to prevent its recurrence, including formation of a committee of parents and administrators to review requests to survey pupils.
At the time the survey was stopped, district officials said the director of psychological services had reviewed the questions prior to the survey and told the therapist to take out about a half-dozen questions he deemed inappropriate, but that this was not done.
Board president Sheldon Epstein said earlier that the investigation found there was not any inappropriate intent on the part of the therapist and that there had been a lack of communication between her and district personnel.
"(T)he district has deprived the claimants of significant constitutional rights of privacy, equal protection and due process and had significantly impaired the claimants' ability to control and monitor the sexual education and development of the students," the claim said.
Besides the sexually oriented questions, the survey also asked if the youngsters had bad dreams or nightmares, if they felt lonely or angry, or if "scary ideas or pictures just pop into my head."
Distraught Grandmother writes to Karl Loren
Dear
Karl,
What can you tell me about safe therapy
for Bi-Polar disfunction in a teenage
girl?
I have done a search but can only find
mention of all the drugs available.
Are large doses of Vit C of any use? If so, how much?
Anything else?
I look forward to you reply.
Thank you for providing such a wonderful website so full of information. I often save the page so that I can concentrate on it when offline.
S
Dear S,
BiPolar disfunction is an invented disease -- it is an invention of psychiatry for the sole purpose of selling psychiatric drugs.
Until you get that reality, there is no cure for the "behavior" that you see.
The behavior is caused by something -- but it is not caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain -- thereby requiring a psychiatric drug.
She needs to get off any such drug -- nothing else will help until she is off.
If she cannot get off, by herself, I can help her get off, but there is no remedy that is senior to getting off the psychiatric drugs 0-- they can cause permanent damage that may never be fixable.
Read Here: http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p176.htm
Is she on any now?
Which ones?
Has she been on any?
Which ones, how long?
Karl Loren
August 28, 2002
Dear Karl,
She is not on any drugs yet, she might have been on some about a year ago, I am not sure, I can ask her Mum. We do not want to put her on drugs, - what is the alternative?
The doctors are still testing her as yet so we need to know very quickly. She is exhibiting some bizarre behaviour and calling it "creative art".
Please help us.
S.
Dear S,
I take a request for help seriously. I sent you the reference I thought was exactly right for you.
Your reply makes no reference to it -- only saying that she is not on drugs NOW.
Here is the sad truth about Bi-Polar Dysfunction.
This is an invented disease. It is name given to behavior by psychiatrists. There is no honesty here. There is no "disease" there is only a "behavior." Psychiatrists see this behavior and give it a name -- that is the sole origin of "Bi-Polar Dysfunction."
There are two reasons why this name is invented.
Psychiatrists see some behavior, want to sell psychiatric drugs, so give the behavior a name and claim that the drug will cure the behavior. This is terribly false.
Or,
Psychiatrists give some psychiatric drug, for any reason. The psychiatric drug CAUSES some unusual behavior. The psychiatrists THEN put a label on that behavior, call it a "disease," claim that this "disease" is caused by some "chemical imbalance in the brain," and then sell a psychiatric drug to cure this "disease."
There is hardly anything on the planet more evil that the psychiatric group, and the drug companies that make their stuff.
The above is the truth of the matter. If you believe anything else you have fallen for the lies by the medical establishment. It matters to me if you decide I am nuts on this. But, that is the truth of it.
Now, you are referring to this girl as a "teenage girl with Bi-Polar disfunction.
You have accepted without question a "diagnosis" that is a complete fraud.
I will never try to help someone solve a fake disease -- but I will help you find the truth.
I assume there is some "behavior" and that "mom" doesn't like it -- thinks it is "weird?"
Behavior is not solved with drugs. Drugs can change behavior, that is certain, but the change is always in the direction of making the person more like a vegetable. Some people would have a quiet vegetable for a daughter than a live (but possibly over-active ?) girl.
Now, you are still asking for help. I am guessing that you are the grandmother?
The girl is NOT asking for my help.
The girl's mom is not asking for help.
You are asking for help to give to them? You are swallowing the fake diagnosis. How am I to help when I am working through two people to reach the one that MIGHT need help, when those two people have accepted a false diagnosis of the situation and when YOU haven't even read what I sent to you???
This is a very blunt letter because I figure that is what it might take to break through the conditioning that you, or the mom, have had from the psychiatric establishment.
Bipolar is described on my page HERE.
You have not yet answered my questions on what drugs she may have taken, when.
I can help, but you have to read what I send, or it is fruitless for me to try.
Regards,
Karl Loren
Dear Karl,
I think you have a very important
site here, I was once on Paxil because
I went to see the doc about public
speaking, and since he was not licensed
to write prescriptions he being only a
psychologist he sent me with his card
to a regular Doctor and scribbled 10
mil. per pill.
Well the Doctor some how got it wrong and wrote me a script for 20 well after a week or so the Psychologist ask me how was it working,
I said I guess it was ok, but I did not see much of a difference, So he then told me to start taking double the dosage,
So then I went to 40 Miligram a day, After 3 weeks I was wanting to kill every one in sight, I even got my brother to take me to the gun store, It was very ugly.
My wife of 9 years was Shocked at how different I had became in only a few weeks, So she called my Psychologist and told him I was freaking out!! and ask for help.
He called me on the phone and told me my wife was telling on me, and told me all about the call, I was Irate,
Well needless to Say I also was irate with him, I ask him what he had done to me, I had been in a few weeks earlier seeking help for public speaking and then became a raging Lunatic in only 3 to 4 weeks.
Well any way we figured out on the phone what had happened about the over dosage and I quit taking them altogether.
I went through massive withdrawals, which they said I would not have and then My life begin to come back to normal, I was divorced 1 month later.
My wife at the time said I showed her a side she did not know I had, a mean side.
I was never like that before and have never been like that again in the past 4 years.
So the moral of this story is to thank you for letting people know what kind of dangers their are out there for people taking antidepressants and other mind altering medication,,,
I lost 2 beautiful children and a wife of nine years and a home and several cars to medication that would work wonders on my work presentations in front of a crowd of people.
The wife I do not miss the kids not living with me nearly kills me still today, the wife showed her true colors after that.
I have a Wonderful wife now that cant imagine I ever acted like that,
Those Pill companies are EVIL.
To them their almighty dollars are
worth more than lives.
Thank you
You
have permission to publish this story.
D
Dear Karl,
I am new to this site. I have only read
a sample of your work. I initially was
looking up hyperimmune egg products
information since I have Fibromyalgia,
plus other illnesses associated with
it. I liked your common sense approach
and intend on reading as much on your
site as I can, over time.
The We Move link has given me
important information regarding
problems I have that doctors include
within the FMS. I want to stress to
them the importance of recognizing
separate illness, factors rather than
just joint and tiredness problems.
I agree with your approach about psycho
drugs. I grew up around people who took
them. The were as vegetables,
deteriating with time. However, I
strongly oppose them since they do not
make a person better, and the more I
read about them, the more I find my
theory to be correct.
I have a good education and common
sense with which to make my own
decisions about my body. I also agree
with your opinion of psychiatrists and
pharmaceutical companies.
I was diagnosed with FMS May 2001.
Until then, I dealt with numerous
health problems as best I could. I just
didn't know that all together they had
a name, so I knew it could not be in my
head. I am in the process of evaluating
and trying vitamins, herbs, etc. to get
better. The doctors have not helped me.
My symptoms grew worse just by telling
me I had FMS and there was no cure. I
feel I have a lot of things to do with
my life, and did not have time to be
sick. Religiously, I know I do, so I
have to get better, or at least as well
as I can get. I have had to deal with
not being able to do a lot of things.
It hurts the most since I cannot enjoy
doing activities with my 6 year old
child. I have learned to save my
strength for him.
I know I can get better, but not
normal. Of course, I was never normal.
Like you, I always took up for the
underdog, and voiced my opinion
although it was different from the
norm. I am proud not to be one of the
norm.
I do not require a response to this
letter, however, any information,
ideas, thoughts, etc. you can give me
will be appreciated.
Remember, I am new to FMS help and want
to get as much information about it so
that I can make informed, educated,
common sense decisions.
I was immediately impressed with your
site and even more intrigued after
spending about 2 hours on it, so I
decided to read your free book. I
cannot wait to seek out information as
well as your opinions pertaining to me
as well as other opinions on your site.
I am not easily impressed, nor easily
persuaded. I have found out more on
your site than 100's of other FMS sites
which I searched and read for about 4
months.
Feel free to quote me, if you want.
Thanks for caring,
Mary
Dear Person Who Threated Me With Lawyer If I didn't Take Her Name From This Web site after she first told me it was OK to publish her name.,
It is very expected that you will write a very long letter, and have many complexities in it. It is also to be expected that you beg for help -- but almost always you are not sincere -- you show your sincerity by meeting my requirements.
I can help you, but it will still take YOUR committment -- and I don't sell anything for this nor charge one penny!
The doctor in Canada broke the law by prescribing the way he did.
He also has knowingly given you a drug that has ruined your life -- and for which there is very little hope of remedy.
If you parents love you, they will help you turn in this criminal doctor, and I will do exactly to him just what I wrote to you about.
It may be difficult, or you may think it is difficult. This is so important that you should leave Germany to go get this information -- you will never do well as a student on this drug.
I suppose this is the test -- whether you really want this help, or whether you think I am just blowing smoke.
Probably you will think you can find help elsewhere.
Perhaps.
My help is contingent on turning the light of truth onto the improper deeds of that doctor in Canada.
I do want his name, address and I will write to him, asking him to verify what you have told me. If he does not answer, then I publish his name as a criminal -- if he tries to sue me, I will be glad to take him on.
I am serious -- you found the drug with the help of your parents -- they were not helping.
You found the drug with the help of a criminal doctor -=- he was not trying to help you.
I am, but my requirements are quite firm.
It is up to you.
Karl Loren
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References From The Previous Newsletter -- December 25, 2002 The Most Brilliant Physician On Planet Earth Today -- Garry F. Gordon, MD -- December 25, 2002. Garry had the second largest IV chelation clinic in the world until he quit to champion oral chelation. He is the most advanced biochemist and public health resource I know for non-drug approaches to life. Comparison between Garry's oral chelation formula and Vibrant Life's Supper Life Glow -- December 25, 2002. Garry's formula is great! Karl's is better! Comparison between Garry's oral chelation formula and Vibrant Life's standard -- Life Glow Plus -- December 25, 2002. Karl's formula is slightly less expensive, but far more complete. Karl Loren's Personal Research Relating To Topics Introduced by Garry F. Gordon -- December 25, 2002. Garry tends to make statements which, probably, another doctor could understand and accept. But, Karl amplifies and explains many of Garry's concepts in laymen's terms. (This link is constantly being added to as Karl studies more of Gordon's material. |
-----Original Message-----
From: Person Who Threated Me With Lawyer If I didn't Take Her Name From This Web site after she first told me it was OK to publish her name. Mojica [mailto:Person Who Threated Me With Lawyer If I didn't Take Her Name From This Web site after she first told me it was OK to publish her name.mojica@shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:25 PM
To: lct@oralchelation.com
Subject: Re: RE: Message from the Oralchelation NET -- Book
-0- Site
Karl,
Hey thanks for the reply! I'm very glad to hear from you.
I do not have the contact information of my old
psychiatrist, cause he was a pediatric psychiatrist (I
didn't even know there was such a thing), and I haven't seen
him in 2 years. He refuses to see someone who is 18 or
older, and recommends new pyschiatrists. Because I moved
when I turned 18, he didn't reccommend me one, and the next
time I needed medicine, I was in Canada visiting my parents
who live there, and we went to their doctor, who prescribed
me a year's supply to get through school, because I would be
going abroad and would not be able to pick up any medication
in Germany. I don't have contact with either one of them,
and don't even remember their names, so it would be
impossible for me to get their contact information. Because
I have no psychiatrist here in Germany, I'm kind of working
on my own... I just really want to get off this drug. Is it
true that it's as addictive and with similar prop erties to
cocaine? I read that in a website recently, and that was
the last straw. When my friend sent me your URL's, I
immediately decided to take action.
I would be more than appreciative if you could help me out
without the contact info of my former doctors... because I
really feel that it is turning into an emergency, and I have
no where else to turn. I feel helpless and alone...
I know that withdrawal is a very hard process, I went
through it with Paxil, and had many panic attacks, and every
single symptom listed on www.quitpaxil.org. I pondered and
began to attempt suicide before remembering the Christian
propaganda I've been fed all my life that still scares me to
death. It lasted several weeks, and I feel that if I made
it through that, I can make it through this. I am a strong
person when it comes to willpower and determination, and I
KNOW that if I want to make it in life as a healthy person,
I have to drop this drug asap.
Therefore, I am asking that you pl
ease help regardless of the doctors, as I am in dire
straights here... and please do not let this offend you, but
if you feel that you cannot help because I can not give you
my doctors' information, then I will find some way to do
this alone. I know it will be hard, and probably more
mentally straining than anything else I will ever go
through, but I am willing to go through anything to be free
for once in my life.
Thanks again for your time, and I look forward to your
response.
Person Who Threated Me With Lawyer If I didn't Take Her Name From This Web site after she first told me it was OK to publish her name.
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Loren <lct@oralchelation.com>
Date: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:32 pm
Subject: RE: Message from the Oralchelation NET -- Book -0-
Site
> Dear Person Who Threated Me With Lawyer If I didn't Take Her Name From This Web site after she first told me it was OK to publish her name.,
>
> I have read and have compassion.
>
> But, Person Who Threated Me With Lawyer If I didn't Take Her Name From This Web site after she first told me it was OK to publish her name., my experience suggests that ONLY if you cut your
ties with
> the doctor who prescribed Prozac can you get off it.
>
> Prozac makes you so dependent that when you try to quit
you often feel
> worse. If the same doctor is there, ready to prescribe
more,
you
> wouldoften go back on the stuff.
>
> From this distance that type of "reversion" is so common
that I refuse
> to offer my help and advice until I get a letter from you
with the
> name of the prescribing doctor, his address, etc.
>
> Read below for more on this, but I will publish his name
on my web as
> a drug pusher -- that should be enough for him to (maybe)
be unwilling
> to talk to you -- or prescribe more junk.
>
> Person Who Threated Me With Lawyer If I didn't Take Her Name From This Web site after she first told me it was OK to publish her name., there is nothing in your whole life right now that is
more
> importantthan getting free of that drug. I can tell you
how, but it
> will take a tremendous commitment.
>
> So, read my firm policy on helping people on these drugs,
below, and
> next below is something else that I'm sure is happening in
your life
> -- you are connected to someone who is "wrong" for you --
it could be
> boyfriend, or parent -- but it would be "close."
>
> Write again.
>
> Karl
>
>
>
> <"
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disease starts
> with a "wrong relationship" -- August 7, 2002 This bold,
tiny bit of
> data could dramatically solve your "hopeless disease"
problem -- here
> is the "universalsolvent" for understanding the absence of
health!
>
> Moral Drift in Society <"
> target="l">http://www.happinessonline.org/>
leads to poor health,
> broken homes, and trillions of dollars of investment
losses
> --
> August 7, 2002 At the bottom of "wrong relationships" are
violations
> of the common sense moral code by which society runs --
deviations and
> perversionsare becoming more and more common -- as the
society drifts
> down the tubes!
> Something can be done about it!
>
> Hopeless <"
> target="l">http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/anatomy/p2.htm>
Diseases!
> Many diseases are actually invented for the sole purpose
of selling
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is an usual reference --
> it is a
> work in progress by Karl. You'll find here links to
several pages,
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> of answering, personally, every personal eMail message I
received.
>
> I do that.
>
> In about January, 2002, it took me about 4 hours per day
to read and
> answer all my personal mail.
>
> Then, starting about in August, 2002, I realized that the
volume of
> personalmail was increasing greatly.
>
> By January 2003 I found that it took me as much as 10
hours per day to
> read and answer all my personal mail. Fortunately, my
daughter, Maia,
> runs the company, and I can take whatever time I wish, d
oing whatever I want
> to do.
> But, as much as I enjoy answering personal messages, it is
also vital
> for me to continue with my research and writing for my 19
web sites.
>
> As my volume of personal messages increases it is obvious
that it will
> not be possible for me to continue answering every
message,
> personally, at least with the same degree of care that I
have used in
> the past. (It has not been unusual for me to spend more
than one hour
> doing some research just to answer one message -- when the
research
> was already on my line of
> expectedresearch.)
>
> Now I have plans for some lecture tours. I will be out of
my office
> for many days during 2003. It will be impossible to keep
up with the
> flow of personal messages.
>
> I do not have a solution for this yet, but want you to
know that my
> responses will undoubtedly be shorter, and that I may have
to
> institute a policy of responding to personal messages from
CUSTOMERS
> rather t
han just
> anyone who writes. This change is not being implemented
yet, but
> somethinghas to change.
>
> This notice, here, is to let you know that some change
will be
> occurring.
> I am delighted at the increase in messages, of course,
because that
> increaseexactly corresponds with our increase in sales.
That means not
> only that we make more money, but much more importantly,
more people
> are being helped by my formulas.
>
> I am delighted at these changes, and thank you for helping
achieve
> them.
> Cordially,
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individual
> and to society by anti-depressants -- more pages than any
other web
> site in the world.
>
> I have 12 web sites, more than 15,000 pages. Many
hundreds of those
> pages deal with Prozac or other psychiatric drugs. Some
of those
> pages are among the most popular of ANY of my pages. I
have a
> statistical report systemthat tells me how many visitors,
each day,
> look at any particular page. Out of 15,000 pages, of
course, many of
> those never get looked at all.
> My pages
> on the evils of psychiatric drugs are always among the top
ten pages
> for the various web sites where I've placed them.
>
> My introductory page about Eli Lilly, the makers of
Prozac, always
> scoresthe second most popular page on one web site (the
home page
> generally always comes in first).
>
> Behind all this are the hundr
eds of hours of research I've done about
> psychiatric drugs, and the hundreds of DAYS I've spent
counseling
> people who suffer from drug addiction -- including both
psychiatric
> drugs and streetdrugs.
>
> So, I am no amateur when it comes to understanding the
effects of
> thesedrugs -- on the person, on those around him and on
everyone in
> society.
> I also run a very successful vitamin business -- selling
vitamin
> formulasthat I have, personally, formulated, all over the
world.
> My 15,000 web
> pages attract about 10,000 visitors per day, and we get
orders to ship
> our products all over the world. My formulas are
generally unique --
> that is, no other source in the world has the same
formulas. My
> vitamin formulashave a very high degree of "workability"
-- that is,
> they do exactly what I claim they will do.
>
> One of my first clues to the dangers of psychiatric drugs
arose when I
> did an analysis of people who had purchased my vitamin p
roducts and
> then asked
> for refunds! This is an extremely rare thing in my life.
We offer a
> 12-month money-back guarantee when someone buys any one
bottle of my
> products. Our refund rate is less than 1%! So, we have
very, very
> fewrefunds.
>
> When I started getting more information from those who
requested
> refunds I found that a large percentage of them were
taking some anti-
> depressant! I tied that to my research on psychiatric
drugs. It is
> plain to me that once someone starts taking an
anti-depressant drug
> they do not benefit from vitamins until they get off the
psychiatric
> drug.
>
> They SEEM to benefit, at first, because, of course, these
people are
> generally very badly in need of nutritional help, and have
many
> vitamindeficiencies. But, after some initial feeling that
the
> vitamins are helping, the continued use of the psychiatric
drug drives
> them "down tone"
> so much that they start getting sicker, more depressed,
often m
ore
> violent,and in any event they become very poor risks as
customers.
> They cease to
> benefit from my vitamins. They then complain about my
vitamins or ask
> for refunds. They inevitably blame the wrong thing for
their problems
> -
> - their
> problems are CAUSED by the psychiatric drug, but they tend
to blame
> anythingand everything else around them.
>
> Psychiatric drugs "work" for only one reason. They drive
the person
> downtoward the state of "vegetable." In other words, if a
person is
> agitated, or sad, or whatever, there is a state that
doesn't have
> these problems. The state would be "walking vegetable."
>
> In any event, I soon realized that I was not helping
people on
> anti-depressants when I sold them my vitamins. So, my
primary mission
> of helping people was not working for these sales of my
vitamins. I
> also realized that I was actually going to lose customers
and money
> because of these people.
>
> But, I still want to help
. So, what should I do?
>
> I decided to adopt the very firm policy that I will NOT
sell any of my
> products to ANY person who is taking any anti-depressant
or any
> psychiatricdrug.
>
> No sales!
>
> Now, I realize that someone may not tell me! They may
just purchase
> my vitamins, and I might sell some, but when I find out
about this I
> take a very firm stand and insist that they must get off
the
> psychiatric drugs.
> HERE is the help I offer to these people.
>
> I do NOT even offer to help them get off the drug.
Because of my very
> extensive experience with hundreds of drug addicts,
including those
> takingpsychiatric drugs, I know EXACTLY how to help a
person get off
> these drugs.
>
> But, psychiatric drugs are selling many, many billions of
dollars
> every year and the amount is increasing. Mankind is
losing this
> battle to the evil and greed of the likes of Eli Lilly.
>
> So, in order to contribute to the good of society, and
mankind, I
>
have this
> policy.
>
> I offer to help by explaining the damage done by
psychiatric drugs.
>
> I offer to help by insisting that the person get off the
drug. The
> way to do that is to go to the doctor who prescribed these
drugs in
> the first place and DEMAND that HE help you get off the
drug.
>
> In most cases they will work very hard to convince you
that you should
> stay on the drugs. If he cannot convince you on that, he
will never
> much help you to get off, because, in truth, he doesn't
know how to do
> that.
> I do!
>
> So, once you have demanded that the prescribing doctor
help you get
> off the drug, and he refuses, then your next duty to
society is to
> help me put that doctor out of business.
>
> I then demand of you that you give me the doctors name,
address,
> phone, etc.
> Preferably this would be his business card or some office
hand-out
> with his office name and address. It would be very
helpful to me if
> you can give me a
n eMail address.
>
> I will send that person a letter, or email, letting them
know that
> someonehas claimed that they are prescribing psychiatric
drugs --
> giving them a chance to deny this if they wish.
>
> If they do not answer, or reply that "yes, I do prescribe
psychiatric
> drugs," I will then publish their name and details in my
"Hall of
> Infamy"=-= a web page devoted to listing the doctors, and
others, who
> I have found to be enemies of mankind.
>
> This is how serious I view it all.
>
> Then, and only then, will I work closely with the person
who has
> becomeaddicted to the psychiatric drug -- to help that
person recover
> from the addiction, and to get him back on the road to
health.
>
> And, I do know exactly how to help such a person.
>
> This has been a long letter. If it is YOU, reading this
letter, who
> is taking the psychiatric drug, then you may have well
gotten angry
> and not read to this point. I'm sorry for you.
>
> But, if
you have gotten to this point, then I urge you to click on
> this link
> to a page of mine where this policy is explained and where
you will
> findlinks to literally hundreds of other pages ALL ON MY
OWN WEB SITES
> about the evils of psychiatric drugs.
>
> Go to:
http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p176.htm
>
> Then you, or whoever, should write to tell me of the
progress you are
> making to get off the drug. I will answer.
>
>
>
>
>
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> ***
> Source: Oral Chelation NET -- Karl Loren's
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> Time: 06:46:24 PM -0700
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> message:
>
> Dear Karl,
> I was telling a friend that I'm quitting Prozac cold
turkey (I've been
> on 60 mg for about a year now, and before that, been on
one type of
> drug or another for the last 9 year. I'm 19 now, and want
to get off
> of
> drugs.)
> He sent me a URL that led me to this page, and I am very
concerned for
> my mental health. I really need to get some help, but I
don't have
> any money
> right now, or the ability to see a doctor, as I am
studying abroad in
> Germany and have no health insurance here.
>
> I mainly wanted to send you an e-mail and let you know
that I
> appreciate the information you posted about Mike, and I've
read
> through part of it, and identify with a lot of what he
says, on a
> milder level, and am fearful that it will soon increase
and I will
> turn into a zombie. My energy level and ability to
concentrate, as
> well as my productiveness, is next to 0.
> For the
> last 3 years of school, I've walked around, going to class
and
> pretending to get work done, when I really just sit around
and wish I
> were getting things done.
>
> I have absolutely no ability to concentrate, but so many
good ideas,
> and I feel like my life is wasting away. Sometimes i just
want to
> curl up into a little ball and die. Suicide is a normal,
every day
> thought, but i was born and raised in a Christian home,
and have an
> extre
me faith in God
> (which is,
> i think, the one thing that keeps me sane and with
emotions), so I
> battlewith the thought that suicide would send me to Hell,
which
> scares me beyond belief, and makes me rather live life as
a robot
> here. I'm in a lot of pain, mentally and physically.
>
> My body is constantly tense, no amount of hot water or
massages can
> cure it
> - i take hot baths for about an hour or 2 every day, and
i'm talking
> NO cold water, pure hot. i steal massages from anyone
who's willing
> to give one, for any amount of time, but again, am
unemployed and do
> not have money for a professional massage. My tension
leads to back
> and neck pain and cramps and small spasms. I am severlely
anxious all
> the time. I have to shake my foot in order to fall
asleep, and it
> still will take me an hour or 2 of tossing,turning, and
rapid
> thoughts. My dreams and surreal and intense.
> I am dating someone, but am unable to orgasm. I hav
e never had an
> orgasm in
> my entire life. This is not a topic I want to raise with
my mother,
> being a Christian who "shouldn't have sex before
marriage". I
> honestly can't believe I even just wrote that to someone
I've never
> talked to before.
>
> I do have a very great sense of humour, and in the moment
when I feel
> alive, I make friends quite easily. A lot of people
really care about
> me, and I have a strong desire to live and conquer this
feeling of
> being dead. I have ideas to achieve, dreams to pursue,
and a passion
> to completely finish everything I've ever dreamed of
starting. I
> currently have NO energy to do these things, and, I
reiterate, this
> laziness is really bringing me into a severe state of
depression.
>
> I haven taken medication since I was 10 years old for the
following
> diagnoses: depression, manic depression (or bi-polar
disorder), severe
> anxiety, and semi-major ocd.
>
> I drink occasionally, and smoke marijuana t
o get away from reality
> and to
> have creative thoughts and relax. I recently took up
smoking
> cigarettes for "stress", which I have constantly, and I
don't believe
> it's real stress, but merely an effect of my disorder, or
the
> medication, or whatever.
>
> I have read things about Prozac and recently decided to
quit. I
> haven'teven talked it over with my mother yet. It's
difficult, cause
> I have a year's supply of it in my closet, sitting on a
shelf, and I
> quit cold-turkey one and a half weeks ago. My marijuana
use is
> increasing as I push thethought to take Prozac away.
>
> I think that's a pretty thorough description of my
situation, I guess
> I just thought I'd let you know and see if you had any
suggestions or
> had anythinginteresting to say... I'm really serious about
trying to
> turn my life around. I'll stop at nothing to conquer
this, but don't
> know what to do to start.
>
> I appreciate your time very much for reading this,
and hope that
> you have a
> moment to reply. I look forward to hear what you may have
to say.
>
> Thank you, and Sincerely
> Person Who Threated Me With Lawyer If I didn't Take Her Name From This Web site after she first told me it was OK to publish her name.
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